Twincharging, tech layout

[GinoX]

Esaki ta un systema unda cu e turbo lo supla den e Soup pa asina drenta e motor. Fei un Lancia Delta Intergrale rally car.......





Anto awo pa pone mi Nissan brothernan jora un poko . Check con e induction route ta hinka den otro.

http://www.turbophile.com/feature_cars/cameron_1200.html

[kidsensation]

that's what they call "compound supercharging"
in a my first posts(which were deleted by some dork driving a blue eclipse) i put links in to texan tuner Bob Norwood, who has been experimenting on the cutting edge with turbos & superchargers..look it up..
btw in an issue of SportCompactCar of about 1-2 years ago the were a series of articles where they swapped the engine of an mr2 turbo with a v-6 from the camry and proceeded to super-turbocharge it...while i was in brazil visiting the car factories last year vw was about to introduce the Golf gt TSI wich incidentally carries such an engine! also check the diagrams.....check it out:
http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcms_publish/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/erlebnis/technical_glossary/tsi/start.html
imagine the engine at idle is already at 5 psi boost! go figure....add some mods!!hmmmmmmm....

ps wanna know what norwood dreams up?->http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0202tur_norwoods_racing_funnycar_integra/ yeah honda fans..but read..go and try to get that engine..hahaha

[GinoX]

Papiando di e systema di VW, e valve aki lo por juda tambe den e transition di blower pa turbo....

http://www.dmhperformance.com/ecutout.htm

E lo por bira algo asinaki.

[kidsensation]

si, pero ta p'esei e sc tin e e-clutch. manera cu e ecu detecta e "boost parameters" cu e turbo ta opera aden,e ecu ta disengage e sc su gears. y e sc housing toch ta laga aire pasa door di dje, dus e no ta un restriction at all..no lubida cu e motor ta constant ariba boost, hasta na idle!..no lag whatsover...pa colmo e ta un direct injection ariba dje!! LOVE those GERMANS!!
btw mi '96 gsxr-1000(y hopi de motorcycle nan nobo) tin un exhaust valve pa tuning (pa low-end power)mi a wak trucknan turbo diesel tambe cu e tech di exhaust tuning: logisch: massive turbo lag..(en pricipio esey ta eigenlijk locual un exhaust cutout ta haci...tunes the exhaust flow, numa pa high end capabilties) (and pisses of the neighbors ..)
All YOU want to do, is to blowup the engine
un link mas di vw:
http://www.ukintpress.com/engineoftheyear/winners/1_14.html
click ariba: 1 to 1.4 liters..

[GinoX]

Nah, mi ta purba juda cu Riven su setup. Esun di VW berdad ta hopi bon pero esei ta full un integrated and engineered system.

Loke m'a pone ta algo cu bo por instala y integra riba un non forced induction engine...... Pesei e modded VW image cu m'a pone.

[kidsensation]

ah ok..e ora ey mi ta kere e moda mas pratiko ta pa usa e dump tube(of hasta un wastegate?)(dus e valve cu bo a pinta ta bai despues di e blower) DESPUES di e sc pa elimina of sikiera limita e "full boost pressure" pa e turbo anto pa sigi yuda wanta e blower na temperatura envez di kita aire foi dje..anto mihor e metering system ta speed density pa evita error di MAF..
ki bo di?

[RiveN]

e SC pulley riba e crank tin un electromagnetic clutch.. cu esey bo por enable of disable e clutch ora tanto boost yega.. pero con bo ta control it.. esey mi kier sa...

one answer ta standalone.. pero how e ta control it ... of how of con e boost activated shutoff valve ta work/ met andere woorden, what controls it ?

[kidsensation]

Q#1: Electromagnetic clutch: think of an a/c compressor clutch..un senjal di corriente ta sende/paga'e(((find the wire..positive/ negative ground? 12v? ki caminda di input-output pa e senjal di e clutch ta corre? ecu? solenoid su so? tur dos? pa controle apart...stand alonenan sa tin tin output triggers pa differnete cos.hmm ta ponemi pensa ariba e solenoid cu nan ta usa den autonan turbo cu nitrous..tanto psi e ta manda un senjal pa paga e solenoidnan)))
pero si no; Q#2:ta eynan mi ta kere Ginox ta propone e valve cu un senjal di aire, pa evita cu e blower sigi manda boost halto ora e turbo ta "bezig". e ora ey bo ta bezig ta limita e blower su output mechanicamente y no electronicamente(den e caso di VW)(pensa ariba un pop-off valve den cierto autonan of ora bo conecta e wastegate su boost signal straight enbes di via un controller) bo por set e valve na cuanto psi cu bo kier pa e actuatornan habri/ cera y dump aire afo......un cos mas..cuanto "overlap" bo kier usa? por ejempel e blower max ta supla 8psi pero bo sa(door di experimenta) cu e turbo na cierto rpm, ya ta cuminsa su rol (duh e blower ya ta zorg pa boost) anto bo ta set e valve pa habri un tiki despues cu e turbo tambe yega na 8 psi..(dus por ejempel ora boost jega 8.1/8.2psi)(corda cu abo ta keda wak manifold pressure so!!)(e systema mester keda supla "in serie" no "parallel")pa take care di e topend .... e ta un tiki mas complika pa splika akinan, pero e no ta onmogelijk, pero hopi fabrication di tuberia y zorg pa un intercooler basta bon.......Ginox, any ideas?corrections?
Two minds are better than one....

[GinoX]

Wak, tin basta di e standalonenan (vooral nan "delux" version) riba mercado cu tin enberdad un of otro triggering program part den su software. Esun mas obvious ta uno pa controla e mechanismo di V-Tec di Honda... right? Bo por programa esei pa manipula e on/off di e blower su clutch basa riba of psi boost of total absence di vaccuum of gewoon riba rpm.... of si e software ta permiti, un combo di nan tres manera e stock ECU.

Si bo program'e pa e corta net na ora di e blower su max boost por ta posibel cu ta net bijv. na 2500rpm manera esun dimi auto, lo ta net e ora cu bo turbo ta lanta fei sonjo. Not very savvy, right? So.... riba absence di vacuum lo por tin mesun resultado. E ora bo mester keda usa turbo "chikito"

Kemen e ora lo ta mas "safe" anto pa e software usa e triggering system basa riba rpm. Mas fasil pa manipula asina depediendo di con grandi e turbo cu b'a instala ta. Anto einan ta unda e trabow di e one way valve ta drenta, pesei e ta direct den e boost "path". Anto einan dibiaha tambe ta unda e BASV (bypass?) ta juda divert e resto di e blower su boost ora e turbo ta suplando 100%. Tumando na cuenta WOT.

[kidsensation]

yep...i agree..
so now will you let me build my klapchi-propelled racer?..it's a bang!

[GinoX]

Mas voorbeeld: Twincharged 350Z!



http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0701_turp_nissan_350z_twin_charged/

[GinoX]

Mas images di twincharging. Esaki ta den un corolla FWD.

[GinoX]

Q#2:ta eynan mi ta kere Ginox ta propone e valve cu un senjal di aire, pa evita cu e blower sigi manda boost halto ora e turbo ta "bezig". e ora ey bo ta bezig ta limita e blower su output mechanicamente y no electronicamente(den e caso di VW)(pensa ariba un pop-off valve den cierto autonan of ora bo conecta e wastegate su boost signal straight enbes di via un controller) bo por set e valve na cuanto psi cu bo kier pa e actuatornan habri/ cera y dump aire afo......un cos mas..cuanto "overlap" bo kier usa? por ejempel e blower max ta supla 8psi pero bo sa(door di experimenta) cu e turbo na cierto rpm, ya ta cuminsa su rol (duh e blower ya ta zorg pa boost) anto bo ta set e valve pa habri un tiki despues cu e turbo tambe yega na 8 psi..(dus por ejempel ora boost jega 8.1/8.2psi)(corda cu abo ta keda wak manifold pressure so!!)(e systema mester keda supla "in serie" no "parallel")pa take care di e topend .... e ta un tiki mas complika pa splika akinan, pero e no ta onmogelijk, pero hopi fabrication di tuberia y zorg pa un intercooler basta bon.......Ginox, any ideas?corrections?
Two minds are better than one....

Bo sa, mi ta repasando e pida aki anto mi ta pensando riba e preshon combina cu e motor ta haja pa guli. Bo wak bon, e responsabilidad total en principio ta keda toch na e wastegate di e turbo pa keda controla boost. Su reference line poni na e intake manifold, un bon spring anto ta cla!!!!

[GinoX]

fansnan di RJ (that's to say, lurkers) easki tbt e topiko. We've been there, dicussed too.